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Quail Stomp · May 09, 2010, 04:50 AM // 04:50

In pvp whenever i get someone talking trash to me i take it that i must be doing good if i piss them off that much. I used to talk junk back to them but i find that you can piss them off more by just playing the game and stomping their butt.

GWfan#1 · May 09, 2010, 05:31 AM // 05:31

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Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

How did you get him back?

Hopped on an alternate account and gave him a piece of my mind.

Voodoo Rage · May 09, 2010, 05:35 AM // 05:35

It seems like most of my experience with rude people is while trading. Just a few smallish peeves of mine while trading:

- People who ignore offers (a simple "nty" is a reasonable response minimally)

- People who won't give you an asking price and then act insulted at your initial offer. (if you refuse to throw out the first number, don't be shocked it what might come your way. A simple counter-offer is a reasonable response).

- People who always want you to knock 500g off your asking price (it's such a minor amount...)

- People who want your to show them stuff you clearly described already and can be seen on wiki. Yes, it's rude.

- People who say, "I'll buy" and then put a lower amount in the trade window (or worst case a bunch of items). I'm always receptive to a different offer but don't tell me "I'll buy" when you aren't giving me my asking price.

- People who put "serious offers only" or "no noob offers" in the trade window. I think a better way to do this is to post something like 100k+xx ecto or like. Obviously if the person has no idea what the thing is worth they aren't going to even be able to recognize that their offer is "not serious".

- People who try trading with full parties. Not so much rude, but just a pain when I can just do a simple add to party and then double click their name to find them. Minimally give me a description "I'm standing on the bridge", "I'm the Golem", etc...

- People who beg for the sale. Seriously, I'm one of the more generous people in the game and rarely ever sell anything for true market value. If you can't afford it from me, you can't afford it period...

Venla · May 09, 2010, 05:39 AM // 05:39

Playing a monk in RA summons the rudeness out of a lot of people....

Every few matches or so I get:

"WTF?!? NOOB MONK HAS NO REZ!!!"

Followed by the usual juvenilia

Jugalo Dano · May 09, 2010, 06:32 AM // 06:32

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Originally Posted by Voodoo Rage

It seems like most of my experience with rude people is while trading. Just a few smallish peeves of mine while trading:

- People who ignore offers (a simple "nty" is a reasonable response minimally)

- People who won't give you an asking price and then act insulted at your initial offer. (if you refuse to throw out the first number, don't be shocked it what might come your way. A simple counter-offer is a reasonable response).

- People who always want you to knock 500g off your asking price (it's such a minor amount...)

- People who want your to show them stuff you clearly described already and can be seen on wiki. Yes, it's rude.

- People who say, "I'll buy" and then put a lower amount in the trade window (or worst case a bunch of items). I'm always receptive to a different offer but don't tell me "I'll buy" when you aren't giving me my asking price.

- People who put "serious offers only" or "no noob offers" in the trade window. I think a better way to do this is to post something like 100k+xx ecto or like. Obviously if the person has no idea what the thing is worth they aren't going to even be able to recognize that their offer is "not serious".

- People who try trading with full parties. Not so much rude, but just a pain when I can just do a simple add to party and then double click their name to find them. Minimally give me a description "I'm standing on the bridge", "I'm the Golem", etc...

- People who beg for the sale. Seriously, I'm one of the more generous people in the game and rarely ever sell anything for true market value. If you can't afford it from me, you can't afford it period...

^ All of that. I feel the same way. I have come to loathe trading so much to the point that I only sell items I know I can sell in 10 minutes or less (tomes, cons, etc).

The thing's that get me the most is either the ignores (If I was to throw out stupid offers I could understand, but I always offer a fair trade), or the people who absolutely insist on knocking the price down, even if it's like 100g off the price of some tome or stupid green item; just so they feel good like they have somehow gotten such a better deal.

A close 3rd would have to be the people who try to unload useless stuff like purples etc., but those people tend to be newer players or people who are seriously poor in the game and I'm more willing to help them out by just dropping prices instead of taking their merch food.

Another thing that has seriously turned me off to trading is the eagerness at which people are willing to take advantage of each other.
Example:
I recently came back to the game from a hiatus and found 15 Red Rock's in storage. I tried to find a price guide on here but couldn't find an accurate market value on them so I just posted em at 1k per (what they were selling for last time I played). I got 4 buyers immediately and sold them to one guy. One of the others that didnt get them pm's me after I told him they were sold and says "haha u coulda sold em for 3k each moron". I mean c'mon. I wasn't mad at the sell price, there was no way for me to know current market value, no one else was selling in Kamadan at the time. But I get insulted by a guy who was wanting to rip me off.

Gun Pierson · May 09, 2010, 07:44 AM // 07:44

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Originally Posted by Jugalo Dano

... But I get insulted by a guy who was wanting to rip me off.

He was prolly just pissed off because someone beat him to it and apparently he had to vent it.

In Spamadan you always have to watch out for the vultures.

ACWhammy · May 09, 2010, 08:08 AM // 08:08

What Voodoo Rage said!

And on a personal note, I enjoy trading and have met a lot of great people at it, but it seems that many of the people that are starting to trade recently have absolutely no etiquette. I don't think it was this bad last year; i'd be curious if anyone else has made this observation as well.

Another thing, is it really appropriate to say "offer" constantly?

90% of the time i'm selling something I will give them my price, or at the very least give them a current offer and i never "lol" or "nvm" or "bb" the buyer or seller, no matter how ridiculous their price is. I just think it's rude. I feel that the seller should say their price; I dont see much reasoning behind the "offer" mentality, other than the fact that the seller is too scared to name their sell price, hoping that the buyer will offer more.

I see everyone as a potential customer/friend until they otherwise give me a reason not to. Apparently others don't view their clientele the same way. At the very least, don't "lol" someone for making an offer on your item. After all, it was you who asked them to offer in the first place. I just don't see how being rude can generate a possible sale. Apparently, it must work for some of the lower-end sellers.

Oh by the way for the people that say "serious offers only," I'll pay 1k for a Mini Kanaxai and I'm serious about that. I seriously will pay 1k for a Mini Kanaxai, seriously.

Thank you

AC

Darth The Xx · May 09, 2010, 08:59 AM // 08:59

I find it amusing that people let pvp trash talk get to them. If you know you're good and the other dude is full of shit, there's no problem, on the other hand if you do let them get to you, you need either get better or just l2internet. People act like dicks sometimes, get over it.

Swahnee · May 09, 2010, 10:36 AM // 10:36

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Originally Posted by Tobi Madera

oh yea i get my share of people when i try to do pvp. Kinda killed the whole HA/RA thing for me. I mena jsut b/c u arent doing something ur new @ doesnt mean ur a "pve f***tard. I mean some ppl jsut want to have fun and play the game. i think alot(mostly in pvp but alot in SCs) that ppl jsut gotta realize its a game. Ok so what if u wipe 10mins inot a SC? uve lsot 10mins.. not a big deal. So yes ive had my fair share of blame/hate. It comes w/ games. ppl on an internet that cant be seen face to face w/out consequence will do really stupid stuff ;p.

QFT. A lot of people do this when they are anonymous and they met some random person they now they will never see again. Obviously, this is not competitiveness, everybody who plays some sport irl knows this. The first thing in competitive sports is the respect for your teammates and for your opponents. Sadly, it's hard for internet games to teach this. I've been a monk in RA for long enough to get my fair share of hate too, and i've learned to play PvP only with friends: it's a lot more enjoyable, expecially when you don't play for grinding some silly title, but only for the fun of it.

Benderama · May 09, 2010, 10:37 AM // 10:37

Me and my friend went into AB as a 55 monk and 600 monk for lolz once XD. although we actually helped quite a bit (RoJ is fun ^^) some assassin spammed that we were leechers, though we were actually doing something. then reported us even though we'd accomplished mroe than he had. ah well ^^. also the general PvP people who argue that a skill is better than another skill because it does something completely different. Thank goodness they're in the minority in GW ;D

Chaos Beserker · May 09, 2010, 10:43 AM // 10:43

the most insulted i have been is when i had just started a new character (but had been playing GW for over 3 years). i noticed this player was selling a mini that i had previously missed out on and as i had the money in the bank i was gonna buy it. when it comes to trading he sees my level was 4 and decides "WTF little noobs dont deserve minipets" and "come back when your a high enough level to not buy money from websites"

lishi · May 09, 2010, 11:11 AM // 11:11

We know very well that there are rude people in the game i don't see the point of making a thread about it.

Unless its a thread that offer funny rude moments.

galbat0rixx · May 09, 2010, 11:35 AM // 11:35

The most insulted I'd ever felt:
some time ago, I met a guy in Kamadan whilst trading. We became pretty friendly, although I did sometimes feel he 'using' me some of the time for his own gain, such as getting me to look out for stuff in Kamadan etc, but I just tried to help as much as I could. Then one day, he asked me to try and do a Droks run for him. I explained that I had no experience of it and was quite busy. He then started getting all arsey about it "are you that selfish you won't even try to run me?". I then told him I actually did lots of things for him, and actually he nearly never did anything for me. He then just said "wtf your such a noob, I'm way better at powertrading and everything else, your actually sh** at this game". He then put me on ignore. Half a year later he had taken me off his ignore list and I apologized to him for seeming selfish. All I got was a "np". No sorry from him. This was deeply disspointing and I have kept well away from him since.

Luckily, I've met far more good people than bad people in GW, I can't say for sure but the lack of a high level cap seems to help with that, as people have less reasons to call you a noob.

fireflyry · May 09, 2010, 12:42 PM // 12:42

The majority of the GW community was one of the best I'd ever encountered for the first year or so.

Past that it's the worst MMO I've ever played for abuse, rudeness, whispering rage, chat spam, hating, PuG raging, rage quits, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

If it wasn't for the tools provided to easily block/ignore such issues, allowing me to eliminate the majority from the minority, I would have ditched this game shortly after the release of Factions.

There has always been an amazingly wicked core of friendly, mature, and helpful players here.I've met some exceptionally awesome people through this game that have become great friends outside of the game.

The difference for me is that in other MMO's I've played the majority is far more civil and chat or contact filtering is seldom, if ever, used.

Subscription vs Non-subscription seems to be a blatantly familiar trend in this regard.

Of course my experience is purely subjective.

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Originally Posted by lishi

We know very well that there are rude people in the game i don't see the point of making a thread about it.

You don't, others do.That's what forums are all about no?

Arm · May 09, 2010, 01:22 PM // 13:22

actually a lot of these responses are pretty rude. Yes, the people that make u mad are in the wrong, but calling them stupid or idiots idk. The truth is there's a lot of little kids <18 that play gw and if you've ever gone thru high school the fact is these kids are just ignorant and will act in ways that they think are cool. There are some people that are older, and these are the type that devote their whole lives to gw, that love to rage because to them it feels like their whole little world crashes when they "lose/die" whatever. You end up running into these people most in pvp and high end sc's, there have been a lot of runs I go on where I just turn team chat off or put someone on insta-ignore when I don't want to read tantrums.
I could add quite a few ign but I know it isn't allowed.

Story:
The funniest rage I ever had was back in the old uwsc days, and one of the pugs (I think it was an all pug team) died very quick. After he died he picked my name so he could watch what I was doing. He started making fun of my armor and weapon sets because he said they were too popular. Anyways, I did my area, eventually we tele rezzed and let him try his area. Idk, if he didnt know what his task was or not, but he was basically just farming i.e. he wasnt killing the correct mobs in pits for the preparation of the quest. So, I joined him in the killing and ended up finishing his area while he farmed. Almost exactly as I finished it- all quests complete etc. an ecto dropped for him and he died. He continued to rage on me demanding I rez him (he knew I had scrolls from earlier) I just put him on ignore till he left and grabbed his ecto. It was only one ecto but it felt so sweet picking it up after all the events ;P

galbat0rixx · May 09, 2010, 01:31 PM // 13:31

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Originally Posted by Arm

The truth is there's a lot of little kids <18 that play gw and if you've ever gone thru high school the fact is these kids are just ignorant and will act in ways that they think are cool.

Now this is a little off-topic but I think it's very wrong to stereotype <18's like this. I am under 18 (not by much but still under 18), and I think I generally am one of the polite people in Guild Wars. I get just as much trouble from adults as kids, for example when I gave someone 500g and he wanted another 500g (this was during my early GW days) and he then went on to whisper-spam me until I put him on ignore, mostly saying stuff like "your such an idiot, come back on this game when your balls have dropped", which is very unnecessary from a 30 year old man.

I know it's a lil off topic but I do get annoyed with people sterotyping us youths.

Mangione · May 09, 2010, 02:48 PM // 14:48

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Originally Posted by fireflyry

The difference for me is that in other MMO's I've played the majority is far more civil and chat or contact filtering is seldom, if ever, used.

Subscription vs Non-subscription seems to be a blatantly familiar trend in this regard.

Probably you've never been on EVE Online

William C Wallace · May 09, 2010, 03:43 PM // 15:43

Internet etiquette or lack there off goes with the territory. You will find the occasional elitist morons but I guarantee you a majority of them are either young kids or socially inept adults.

Sure you find douchebags everyone once in a while but that is life, don't even waste the time, its not worth it.

colosusjokers · May 09, 2010, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by galbat0rixx

Now this is a little off-topic but I think it's very wrong to stereotype <18's like this. I am under 18 (not by much but still under 18), and I think I generally am one of the polite people in Guild Wars. I get just as much trouble from adults as kids, for example when I gave someone 500g and he wanted another 500g (this was during my early GW days) and he then went on to whisper-spam me until I put him on ignore, mostly saying stuff like "your such an idiot, come back on this game when your balls have dropped", which is very unnecessary from a 30 year old man.

I know it's a lil off topic but I do get annoyed with people sterotyping us youths.

This I would have to agree with. I have had guild/clanmates and friends from outside of our group that were young and well behaved. Some of the worst behavior I have seen actually came from "adults" that were just plain mentally deficient or cretinous toward others when behind the safety of a keyboard. On the other hand some of the best behaved people I have met were young. One such individual we thought might be a teenager until he joined voice chat and it turned out he was 12 or 13(don't recall which).

I'm glad to say that I have had mostly good experiences from the GW community in-game and have been playing for a little over 4 years. Naturally, there are bad eggs. But when compared to other games I have played online GW has one of the better communities. I would say DDO(Dungeons and Dragons Online) also has a good community so at least GW has company in the best online game communities department.

There is one situation that I recall that would fit this thread. It's from over 3 years ago though. I think the quest was in stingray strand. It had something to do with opening a container(chest I think) and collecting an item from it. There just happened to be other people looking to do that same quest so I joined. One of the people got the thing opened but then everyone wiped and we had to fight our way back to it. By the time we got back to it the items no longer had names tagged to them. Everyone got one except me. When I messaged the person who picked up two he laughed at me and I got agitated and warned the others of what he did so that they knew to put him on their ignore lists. One person out of the group decided to stay and help me do the quest a second time. I wish I remembered the helpful guys character name.

People like that deserve to be remembered and given kudos(even on online games).

Most other things I wound up laughing at the people doing it for one reason or another.

When the "droks runner" con-artists were getting kind of bad a few clan-mates and I posed as people looking for runs to find one of them and then take "evidence" of him doing it and used it to blackmail him into doing nothing while constantly harassing him. That one ended when one of us(not saying who) messaged him claiming to be a GM and told him that his account was banned for "such and such". the moron believed it and never logged on again. One person scheming others taken out of the bracket with the potential of support never having to deal with any of it and able to use the time saved to take care of other matters(and us having a bit of mischievous fun in the process). We figured the people doing it are idiots anyways so they likely wouldn't realize we could get in trouble for doing that to them and if the whole thing got to support they would probably laugh at what we did and just ban him anyways. It's not much of a thing we did since we just hit one of them but hey...it's better than nothing.

There is the whole HA rank discrimination thing. I liked going to HA back in the day but the players that have taken over there now are...well....lets just say I'm content to just point and laugh at them when they complain about having to wait in the hall of heroes for an hour or so for a new opponent. They brought it on themselves. I wouldn't be surprised at this point if that situation doesn't even change when it's HA day for the zaishen challenges.

Ah, and last but not least Zen Daijun HM. There was one point a while back when it was the zaishen mission and I decided to join a group to do it rather than hench/hero it. The first group wiped out(which didn't bother me of course since it happens) and then the group dispersed. I then tossed out a few more group requests for a bit and another accepted. The group leader asked me to ping my build so I did. He then proceeded to laugh at me and boot me from the group. After this I decided to go ahead and hench/hero it. It's kind of funny because after I beat it I got the odd urge to look and see how many people were still at the mission forming up groups. Guess who was still there looking for people.

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Originally Posted by ACWhammy

What Voodoo Rage said!

And on a personal note, I enjoy trading and have met a lot of great people at it, but it seems that many of the people that are starting to trade recently have absolutely no etiquette. I don't think it was this bad last year; i'd be curious if anyone else has made this observation as well.

AC

It's not just trading. I actually noticed a decline about two months before WoW's wrath of the lich king came out. It may just be coincidence but my "bias" kind of makes me wonder if we wound up getting an influx of people from WoW that got ticked off over that expansion.

It seems to me that everyone could use a funny thing to lighten the mood in this thread(but somewhat still fitting to it). It has to do with stupid people in PvP. I'm not talking the sort of thing that some PvX jockey(a.k.a. wiki noob) would call stupid either(in other words this is something that everyone should be able to get a laugh out of). The last time I went into AB I took a lvl 5 flamingo pet with me as a Mesmer/Ranger. This was just for laughs really. The rest of my build outside of the pet stuff was decent enough for me to fight and stand my own. The silly idea to bring a flamingo with me actually turned into an interesting strategy that has to do with luring. It would seem that when people see a lvl 5 flamingo in AB they can't resist chasing after it. Long story short for the second half of the match there was often 3 or more people chasing after that poor bird from one side of the map to the other rather than killing players and capping shrines. I wonder if anyone in that team noticed and got mad at them for that. I bet none of you guys knew you could lure in PvP(I sure as hell didn't).

Voodoo Rage · May 09, 2010, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by ACWhammy

What Voodoo Rage said!

Another thing, is it really appropriate to say "offer" constantly?

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. I posted this in the "Stupid moments" thread but here is a typical example:

Someone was selling "WTS Q6 AR14 Sharktooth Shield". I really had absolutely no clue what the value of this shield was but I was very interested in it. I tried initiating conversation with him and he would absolutely not discuss any price what-so-ever, just kept repeatedly replying "offer" "offer" "offer".... I searched for it on Guru and couldn't find it. Finally I offered him 25k and he replies "bb noob".